[The Drivers family, Sloppy of California, continues to sue everyone.]
Bill Montoy from Parker AZ,
Gets It Right; Reaction to the Settlement
""Well I've been watching the madness on this thread since yesterday and found it hard to ignore some of (most of them) the uniformed post. Let me start by saying that I feel really bad for all the familys of the deceased and the injured. For anybody to say "it makes me sick" or "they are a bunch of bottom feeders" or " free food line" you are very mistaken and what gives you the right to judge another person like that. I have gotten to know a couple of the parents that lost their children and let me say they are not bottom feeders and probably pay more in taxes then most of you make. So I wouldn't call them bottom feeders. I have also learned a lot about the lawsuit since getting to know these people. The facts are that MDR and BLM were extremely negligent in letting this crash happen (notice I don't use the word accident, because accidents cant be prevented, crashes can). Did you know that the 1 BLM ranger (there was supposed to be 6 or 7)was at the crash site an hour before the race started? And that same guy admitting seeing that there were no fences and the crowd was too close to the race course. Did you know that he did nothing to help with the situation? don't you think he could of got on his loud speaker and told the people they were too close to the race course and the race could not start until they move. You know what, every body would of moved so the race could start if he would of just said something. Did you know that the 1 ranger left the rock-pile and drove straight to the start line (50 minutes before start of the race) and do you know that he said NOTHING to MDR that he could not start the race until the crowd was moved back. THAT MY FRIEND IS CALLED NEGLIGENCE. and is the basis of the case. This guy had the responsibility to monitor the safety of the race and for the safety of the crowd and to make sure that ALL procedures set for the in the permit are ALL followed.
Did you know that there was no ambulance on site as the permit required. The reason this is important is because the helicopters could not be dispatched until someone with authority was there to dispatch them. That delayed the dispatch of the helicopters by 45 minutes and that 45 minutes could of possibly saved some lives (ever heard of the golden hour).? The helicopters were running and ready to fly but couldn't until they were dispatched. Is that the spectators fault?
The federal government has immunity from lawsuits in most cases. It dates back hundreds of years ago to the King and Queen days in America. (You can't sue the King). Well this case went in front of the most conservative judge the government could find and even this judge could not rule for the government after seeing all the negligence this ranger had committed. They tried to hide behind the discretionary decision immunity law and since this ranger did NOTHING to eliminate the hazard it means he made NO decision which opened the government up to liability. MDR was found to be mainly at fault and had settled more than a year ago.
Some of you* have tried to blame this on the spectators. Now you know those people just stood where everybody else was standing. If there was sufficient fencing and signage that had been done in previous years, all this would be is a simple roll over crash with nobody hurt. You cant possibly blame those deceased and injured for this crash.
Remember these people that were killed and injured are your friends and you were standing next to them at various races. They were not drunken idiots like some of you have said. They were not trying to reach out and touch the cars and trucks while they were racing. You* know that.
Did you also know that the driver is suing MDR and the government? Now that is a frivolous lawsuit if I've ever seen one. If you* are bashing the family's that lost their children, what about the driver that is suing MDR and Feds? Why are you not saying anything about that lawsuit? I know why, Its the PACK mentality I see from others* [by the desert racing community].
I know you guys* will post all kind of negative post but I really don't care because most of you are uniformed and know nothing about the case and what came out in the case. All you want to do is blast anybody for anything. I've seen it for years on this site.
Good Luck and see you in the desert in AZ.""
*The desert racing community itself is the perp and victim of these events. The land where this event happened, is no longer open for desert racing. The "victims" in the legal case, were all members of the desert racing community. They were not outsiders. It was the friends, brothers, sisters and known team members of its own community.
*The "DRC" mentioned in Bills comment is the 'desert racing community'.
Gary Newsome, Editor
Baja Racing News LIVE!
UPDATED! December 18, 2013
UPDATE: August 27, 2013
August 27, 2013
Todd 'Nikal' Cunningham of El Cajon California comments:
""you asked for someone to tell all the family's who had some die , that their loved one deserved it. OK I will! I have no problem letting those families know how selfish their loved one was for choosing to stand on a live race course and get killed. I don't feel for the dumb azz that stood on the course and died. I feel for the ones they left behind. The children who are growing up without a parent because their parent did not use good judgement.
To those, I'm sorry for you loss. But please understand, your loved one was a dumb azz and got what they were asking for. Do these sayings sound firmilar? Don't play with fire as you might get burned. Don't play with Guns as someone could get shot. Don't play in traffic as you could get hit. "Don't stand on a race course, or you might get hit & die!""
UPDATE July 5, 2013
click here for off-road live! update
UPDATE May 10, 2013
Adam From Clean Dezert Comments:
""my name was thrown into this, so i will comment based on what i know to maybe help relieve some of this crap.
I am a 1450 racer years before the accident and still now years after, i was at the accident directly across from where sloppy rolled, I put up fencing years prior, i talked to patricia multiple times regarding fencing. i get grouped with the dumb drunk racers 1450 racers/spectators... yet i have never drank a day in my life.
The blame needs to be put on the people who deserve it. Patricia was asked 2 years prior to this to put up fencing and was told they had no resources or money to do so. I asked what if she charged everyone $5 more to cover it, she said she has no resources. The snow fencing and time to put it up was ALL donatated by 1450 racers... So while you think they are a bunch of bro retards, they are also concerned about thier safety and the safety of the people spectating. I feel MDR was circuling the toliet and about to be flushed anyways... they were holding on to this one last big race that brought out big crowds and a ton of racers. Rest of the series was dead.
Now for the spectators, it was thier responsability to stand away from the course. i was there shoulder to shoulder with everyone else, i knew the risk we were taking, we even joked about it prior to the race... Everyone needs to take on more personal responsability... If i was a part of the accident it would of been MY fault, not sloppys fault, and not completely MDR fault.
So for anyone trying to put blame on just 1 group of people is retarded.""
Comment to BajaRacingNews.com by bighad:
How is your lawsuit going Travis? How is your wife's lawsuit? Any chance of you dropping the lawsuits and taking responsibility for your own actions of standing too close to an open race course?""
Re: MDR update
jeff my boy..nice of you to chime in...its moving along..the best i could wish is to never be in one brutha! tell you what..line up the interview whereas Brett Sloppy..not slopey..but sloppy..wants to get on camera and say how he knew all those people were there..cause he did..how he lost cotrol of his truck,,,cause he did..that his race was the single most important aspect of his life..even at the cost of others lives..and how his truck ended up off the race course as you say...and he..through his decisions..killed 8 people..then get MDR to say how they knew those people were there..but they were for profit..and uh..it would cost them money to do something about it...so it was profitable to deny any obligation to their paid race teams or their spectators...and get the BLm to say how the year prior they had sheriffs out there..and yet on that night they gave a permit and failed to do their job..yet its "different' when they write tickets..because after all..its about safety..and once you line all that up..I'll say...geeze..its none of their faults..nope..its all to blame on me...Im in dude..cause as it stands..not one of them will say anything! Oh no.....as you all do...blame the dead..disrespect their families...and then..after that..we can look at the lawsuits and see who..if anyone...has a lawsuit against who! It must be nice to be on the outside looking in...unaffected yet with so much BS to talk..you sure got a lot to say to me on the net dude..yet when I asked to share time with you one on one at Ocotillo..you said..."Its a big desert"..and told me to pound sand.....go watch TV dude..your next opinion will be shared tonight...hey..did you know they are trying to take guns away from us..just saying..oh..and Jv is in danger of being lost..so is Oceano dunes..and green sticker funds are being raped for the general fund..did you know any of that? Focus on your sport..not me dude...wake up..and if you do...well..guess we'll meet then after all...I am there...